September 17th, 2004 Chat with Michele Bardsley
22:20:12 [Lainie] I’d like to welcome everybody tonight
22:20:33 [Lainie] I’d especially like to welcome and introduce our guest, Michele Bardsley
22:21:01 [Lainie] Tonight Michele will teach us about “Creating the Beta Hero”
22:21:22 [Lainie] Michele Bardsley is a multi-published author who lives in Las Vegas with her husband and two children. Her works have won recognition and awards from Writer’s Digest, Silhouette Books, Oklahoma State University, and Northwoods Journal Magazine.
22:21:34 [Lainie] She’s presented numerous workshops on a variety of topics for organizations such as Space Coast Writers Guild, RT Bookclub, and Word Museum. When she’s not writing, editing, or promoting, she likes to watch “Trading Spaces” and daydream about someone else redecorating her home.
22:21:45 [Lainie] Boring wimp? Pale shadow of an alpha male? Brainy guy with glasses who believes discussing the latest IRS tax laws constitutes foreplay?
22:21:53 [Lainie] ? In “Creating the Beta Hero”, find out who a beta hero really is–and how to use beta qualities to create a complex, likeable, and–gasp!–nice guy who romance readers will love.
22:22:13 [Lainie] Michele R. Bardsley is offering an autographed copy of Double Delights #2 (featuring her romantic comedies, Daddy In Training and Bride In Training) as well as a “Housewife For Rent” T-shirt.
22:22:55 [SherT] and she’s an all around sweetie! Welcome Michele!
22:22:58 [Lainie] One of Michele’s newest books will: THE LUST BASTION (part of the LIGHTHEARTED LUST anthology with Mary Janice Davidson and Chris Tanglen.
22:23:08 [Lainie] A single, lonely, okay, desperate woman searches for the perfect sex toy, but her new vibrator gives her more than she bargains for: a cursed Egyptian prince who obeys her every command.
22:23:33 [Glenda] wow
22:23:49 [SherT] LOLOL
22:24:08 [Lainie] When more guests join us, we’ll move into protocol. For now, I’d like to ask Michele to tell us about herself and start. (going to fan myself now). ga Michele
22:24:17 [Glenda] some people have all the luck
22:24:25 [MicheleB] <g> It was fun to write. 🙂
22:24:52 [Lainie] sounds like fun
22:25:20 [MicheleB] Thank you, Lainie. I have five novels and one nonfiction workbook published.
22:25:56 [MicheleB] My first erotic romance is The Lust Bastion. It’s a comedy, too. <g>
22:26:35 Jacqueline enters this room
22:26:36 [MicheleB] My next book is called Wild Women and it’s a romantic comedy suspense coming out from Hard Shell Word Factory in November or December.
22:27:15 [MicheleB] I’m also happy to say that my genre short story, “A Mother Scorned,” is the Grand Prize Winner in this year’s Writer’s Digest Competition.
22:27:18 [SherT] wb Jacqui
22:27:39 [Glenda] congratulations!
22:27:51 [MicheleB] No beta heroes in that one. <g>
22:27:54 [SherT] Excellent Michele!
22:27:54 [Jacqueline] I think the problem is fixed.
22:27:59 [MicheleB] Thank you.
22:28:10 [Jacqueline] Yes congratulations, Michele!
22:28:34 [MicheleB] Thanks. WD is publishing the story, too. It’s very exciting.
22:28:50 [MicheleB] But we’re here to talk about the beta hero and how to create one. Ready?
22:29:07 [Lainie] yep – I was born ready
22:29:09 [SherT] yes…rubbing hands together.
22:29:10 [Jacqueline] Yep
22:29:39 [Glenda] waiting with beta breath
22:30:01 [MicheleB] In The Complete Writer’s Guide to Heroes and Heroines: Sixteen Master Archetypes by Tami D. Cowden, Caro LaFever, and Sue Viders, the authors examine eight hero archetypes. Their definition of The Best Friend fits well with the concept of the beta hero. The following information is taken from an ar
22:30:24 [MicheleB] article by Tami Cowden posted on the All About Romance website.
22:30:43 [MicheleB] The Best Friend: This man doesn’t enjoy confrontation and can sometimes be unassertive because he doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. But he’ll always be there. We all knew this guy in high school and didn’t appreciate him.
22:31:02 [MicheleB] If we were smart, though, he’s the guy we married. He’s a people person and he’ll always put the needs of others first. He’s practical … so he’d assess what could be done and get to work. He’ll be very determined because he’s responsible for the heroine.
22:32:10 [MicheleB] In line with his “best friend” qualities, a beta hero makes a great sudden daddy—he adjusts more easily to than an alpha male.
22:32:24 [MicheleB] He’s also an excellent role model: Women think he’s sweet, kids know he’ll play catch or tea party, bosses know they can rely on him to get last-minute projects completed, and men know they can trust him with their girlfriends.
22:32:42 [MicheleB] Within these expectations lie the seeds for potential conflict!
22:32:58 [MicheleB] Beta heroes need to grow, change, learn. Nice doesn’t equal perfect. An easygoing guy who’s funny and sweet hides his feelings more effectively and feels pain more deeply than an alpha hero (who will, when angry or upset, stomp around, growl, and hit stuff).
22:33:14 [MicheleB] A beta hero hides his pain behind a smile, a joke, or a quiet reserve. A beta hero is more likely to walk away from a confrontation or do what he believes the heroine wants than to stand his ground and fight it out. This isn’t wimp behavior because he’s not afraid for himself, he’s afraid for the p
22:33:27 [MicheleB] he’s afraid for the person he cares about.
22:33:53 [MicheleB] Now that we’ve identified the beta hero, let’s discuss how to create one. According to J. Madison Davis, who wrote Novelist’s Essential Guide to Creating Plot:
22:34:08 [MicheleB] “[A character] is a set of inherent qualities in the imitation of a human being. What we call a character in a novel, play or movie bears close resemblance to a human being but is not one.
22:34:22 [MicheleB] People are far more complicated than characters. People are far less predictable than characters. Characters are designed to seem complicated and to act in some surprising ways, but they are actually more consistent than people.
22:34:33 [MicheleB] The behaviors that seem surprising from characters are based upon a clear conception of their identities. In the simplest sort of story, for example, there are good guys and bad guys.
22:34:47 [MicheleB] The conception of their identities is very simple, and their behavior is predicted by what the author values as good or bad.”
22:35:03 [MicheleB] Romance heroes are, in essence, the ideals of the author packaged in a tight pair of jeans and a sexy grin. To create a hero is to create an inherent set of specific qualities.
22:35:19 [MicheleB] Each hero type has general characteristics that are refined by the author. It’s important to remember that your hero may not completely align with all qualities associated with the beta or the alpha or the whatever.
22:35:34 [MicheleB] He is first and foremost YOUR creation and he doesn’t have to fit anywhere but in your story.
22:36:03 [MicheleB] Are they any questions before we talk about beta qualities?
22:36:51 [SherT] ?
22:37:21 [SherT] What about times he has to fight, as in times of danger or when there’s no other way? How will he handle these times?
22:37:24 [Jacqueline] ga, Sher
22:38:14 [MicheleB] Betas are men and will act like men no matter if they’re beta or alpha. A beta can and will fight to protect himself and his loved ones.
22:38:28 [MicheleB] He might not be as effective as an alpha.
22:38:44 [MicheleB] The beta motto should be: “I’m a lover, not a fighter.” <g>
22:38:55 [SherT] gotcha, thank you. Just what I needed to hear.
22:39:34 [MicheleB] A beta will look for ways to get out of confrontation, especially a physical one. They want to use reason, not brawn.
22:39:48 [MicheleB] Alphas will just punch the offender out. <g>
22:39:56 [Jacqueline] I kind of like to think that a beta will come out on top because he doesn’t loose his cool and use his head.
22:40:44 [MicheleB] Exactly. Betas have more even temperaments.
22:41:27 [MicheleB] Let’s look at some qualities for our nice-guy prototype. The beta hero:
22:41:34 [SherT] In other words will wear the heroine down rather than bowl her over.
22:41:41 [MicheleB] © Is kind, responsible, decent
22:42:26 [MicheleB] Yes, that’s right. A beta won’t throw a girl over his shoulder and leave.
22:42:46 [MicheleB] © Doesn’t enjoy confrontation, but won’t back down on an issue he wants resolved
22:42:58 [MicheleB] © Is always available to the heroine or to others who need his help
22:43:08 [MicheleB] © Is an extrovert or an introvert
22:43:20 [MicheleB] © Is practical, down to earth, assesses situations before making decisions
22:43:30 [MicheleB] © Has a great sense of humor
22:43:40 [MicheleB] © Tends to be Mr. Nice Guy/Everyday Joe
22:43:51 [MicheleB] © Is the kind neighbor, the best friend, the good Samaritan
22:44:12 [MicheleB] So now we have a basic idea about what a beta hero might be like. Let’s assess how he got that way.
22:44:24 [MicheleB] Davis writes: “People’s motivations are very confusing and usually dimly understood. The newspapers are full of terrible stories about kids who grow up in brutal households.
22:44:36 [MicheleB] One kid grows up to become a killer; another grows up to become a tireless worker to prevent child abuse.”
22:44:47 [MicheleB] What’s interesting about this assessment is that you can create a hero or a villain using the same set of circumstances. Consider, too, that the same set of circumstances can create an alpha hero or a beta hero.
22:45:01 [MicheleB] In romance novels, a hero’s motivations, while not always revealed right away, are not confusing and are understood. There’s a clarity about why characters do what they do in fiction that is not evident for people operating in the real world.
22:45:14 [MicheleB] The background of your beta hero—his childhood, his education, his relationships—is very important in creating his motivations for being the person he is in your book.
22:45:28 [MicheleB] You have the freedom to create any kind of past that explains his actions and choices today.
22:45:44 [MicheleB] There are tools that may useful in helping you create the beta hero. Before I talk about these tools, I’d like to point out that there are a lot of people in the world who try to figure out and categorize human beings.
22:45:54 [MicheleB] For every technique discovered to determine behavior, there are not only exceptions to the so-called rules, there are other people attempting to discredit the technique.
22:46:06 [MicheleB] I don’t want to challenge your belief systems, but I do want to give you some ideas you can use to create a Beta Hero.
22:46:26 [MicheleB] Beta heroes are usually younger siblings—more than likely they are middle children. They can also be only children, but if they are, they probably have strong female influences in their upbringing.
22:47:11 [MicheleB] Characteristics of the middle child:Flexible, Diplomatic, Peacemaker, Generous, Social, Competitive
22:47:23 [MicheleB] “Middle children are good mediators and have superior cooperation skills. They don’t have their parents all to themselves or get their own way. Therefore, they learn to negotiate and compromise.”
22:47:43 [MicheleB] Characteristics of the last born child:Risk Takers, Outgoing, Creative, Sense of Humor, Question Authority
22:47:55 [MicheleB] “Youngest children in the family are typically outgoing and great at motivating other people. They are also affectionate, uncomplicated, and sometimes a little absent-minded.”
22:48:23 [MicheleB] Sure, a beta hero can be a cop or a fireman or a paratrooper, but these types of jobs are difficult fits for him (unless he has some kind of desk job within these types of departments).
22:48:33 [MicheleB] Possible jobs suited for beta heroes: social worker, Forest Ranger, environmentalist, teacher, artist, counselor, politician, singer, doctor, novelist, nursing home director.
22:48:47 [MicheleB] According to a recent study, “a child’s place in the family birth order may place a role in the type of occupations that will interested him or her as an adult.”
22:48:56 [MicheleB] One of the strongest findings was the fact that only children and first-born children tended to have more cognitive and analytical interests, while later-borns were more artistic and oriented to the outdoors.”
22:49:17 [MicheleB] Source: Birth Order Affects Career Interests, Study Shows http://www.acs.ohio-state.edu/researchnews/archive/birthwrk.htm
22:49:38 [MicheleB] If you want to be extremely particular in your creation of a beta hero, consider the etymology of certain names. (Etymology is the study of the origins of words.) Beta heroes won’t have a name like “Rock.”
22:49:56 [MicheleB] Try for soft-sounding names like Benjamin, Charles, John, Phillip, Seth, and so forth. At babynames.com you can look up names by meaning.
22:49:56 [Jacqueline] LOL!
22:50:11 [MicheleB] I also suggest tooling around on behindthename.com—it has a lot of interesting information and a huge database of names.
22:50:42 [MicheleB] You might also consider naming your hero after someone in history or in mythology with whom you want him to be identified. Or maybe, he displays the opposite qualities of that historical or mythological figure … it’s entirely up to you.
22:51:38 [MicheleB] Any questions before I go on?
22:52:49 [SherT] Everything looks good from here.
22:52:57 [Jacqueline] ?
22:53:04 [MicheleB] Okay!
22:53:21 [MicheleB] You don’t need to be an astrologer to use the traits of certain sun signs as blueprint for your beta hero. I’m definitely not an astrologer, but I think the sun signs are very useful tools when it’s time to create the good and bad qualities of a character.
22:53:43 [MicheleB] It also helps you determine a birth date for your guy. <g> I chose the signs I feel most closely mirror a beta hero’s personality. My source for the following information is http://www.astrology-online.com.
22:53:45 [Jacqueline] What type of personality should the heroine have to go with the beta hero. Or does it matter?
22:54:23 [Lainie] cool characterization tools
22:55:00 [MicheleB] I think that opposites attract for a reason. People need the balance a counterpart offers in a relationship.
22:55:25 [MicheleB] Women who are used to responsibility, decision-making, and tough times need a beta hero.
22:55:41 [MicheleB] Okay … back to astrology…
22:55:48 [Jacqueline] Thanks, Michele, that’s kind of what I thought
22:56:38 [MicheleB] I’ll just mention a couple of sun signs that I think represent beta heroes, though there are more than just two. 🙂
22:56:50 [MicheleB] Taurus (The Bull) — April 21 to May 21
22:57:00 [MicheleB] Traits: Patient and reliable, warmhearted and loving, persistent and determined, placid and security loving
22:57:10 [MicheleB] Possible Flaws: jealous and possessive, resentful and inflexible, self-indulgent and greedy
22:57:13 [SherT] ??
22:57:21 [MicheleB] Cancer (The Crab) — June 22 to July 22
22:57:32 [MicheleB] Traits: Emotional and loving, intuitive and imaginative, shrewd and cautious, protective and sympathetic
22:57:41 [MicheleB] Possible Flaws: Changeable and moody, overemotional and touchy, clinging and unable to let go
22:58:41 [MicheleB] Of course, in a romance novel, the beta hero (or any hero for that matter) will not be severely flawed.
22:58:59 [MicheleB] Another tool to help create the Beta Hero: the dosha
22:59:06 [SherT] I’m married to a Tauras, we can add stubborn, bullheaded, moody and wants his own way. LOL
22:59:21 [MicheleB] According to Health World Online: “Just as everyone has an individual face or thumb print, according to Ayurveda, each person has a particular pattern of energy
22:59:31 [MicheleB] LOL Sher!
22:59:44 [MicheleB] —an individual combination of physical, mental and emotional characteristics—which is his or her constitution.
22:59:57 [MicheleB] This constitution is determined at conception by a number of factors and is the same throughout one’s life. …
23:00:07 [MicheleB] Ayurveda identifies three basic types of energy or functional principles that are present in everybody and everything. All people have vata, pitta and kapha, but one is usually primary, one secondary and the third least prominent.”
23:00:20 [MicheleB] Determining a dominant dosha for your hero is another tool you can use to create characteristics.
23:00:29 [MicheleB] Each dosha has physical attributes, too, that you can use when creating your beta hero, but for now, we’ll go over the basic information and the internal/emotional characteristics.
23:00:48 [MicheleB] VATA is movement and it’s represented by the elements of space and air. Vata people are flexible and creative, alert and restless. They walk, talk and think fast, but are easily fatigued.
23:01:01 [MicheleB] PITTA is metabolism and it’s represented by the elements of fire and water. Pitta people have many qualities of fire … they have warm bodies, penetrating ideas, sharp intelligence, and good powers of comprehension.
23:01:19 [MicheleB] KAPHA is lubrication and it’s represented by the elements earth and water. Kapha people have strength, endurance, and stamina. They are calm, tolerant, forgiving.
23:01:33 [MicheleB] Which one do you think best represents a beta hero?
23:02:00 [Glenda] Kapha
23:02:23 [SherT] or Pitta
23:02:26 [MicheleB] Bingo!
23:02:26 [Jacqueline] PITTA
23:02:40 [MicheleB] Nope. A Pitta is an alpha.
23:03:03 [SherT] And VATA?
23:03:56 [MicheleB] A beta hero could possibly be a Vata, but they’re not “spacy.” They’re grounded, very much earth-related.
23:04:38 [MicheleB] A beta hero’s dominant dosha is kapha. Like the elements of kapha, earth and water, he’s very grounded, but he can also “go with the flow.”
23:05:09 [MicheleB] More Information About Doshas http://www.indianest.com/health/ayurveda/av014.htm
23:06:08 [MicheleB] Do you want me to go on? I still have schemas to talk about. 🙂
23:07:06 [SherT] by all means. We started late.
23:07:18 [Jacqueline] I’m sure we would, do you want to?
23:07:33 [MicheleB] Cool! According to SchemaTherapy.com: “Coping styles as normal attempts on the part of the child to survive in a difficult childhood environment.
23:07:44 [MicheleB] Unfortunately, we keep repeating our coping styles throughout adulthood, even when we no longer need them to survive. … these coping styles lead us to act in ways that end up blocking our development…”
23:07:58 [MicheleB] In other words, an emotional schema equals inner conflict for your hero.
23:08:16 [MicheleB] . Surrender (Gives in to schemas and repeats them)
23:08:26 [MicheleB] Avoidance (Finds ways to escape or block out schemas)
23:08:37 [MicheleB] Overcompensation (Does the opposite of the feelings created by schemas)
23:08:55 [MicheleB] Specific information and a good overview can be found at the Advanced Cognitive Therapy of New York website.
23:09:12 [MicheleB] The Schema Therapy website also has a specific breakdown at its site that’s valuable.
23:09:25 [MicheleB] For our purposes, I’ve taken certain schemas and their definitions from
23:09:40 [MicheleB] the Advanced Cognitive Therapy of New York to use for creating our beta hero, but chances are you can take any schema and make it fit with your hero. Here are the ones I choose:
23:10:04 [MicheleB] Disconnection & Rejection — Abandonment/Instability: You expect instability, unreliability, or loss of anyone you are close to.
23:10:18 [MicheleB] Emotional Deprivation: You believe that your primary emotional needs for nurturance, empathy, affection, and protection will never be met by other people.
23:10:27 [MicheleB] Defectiveness/Shame: You feel that you are defective, bad, unwanted, inferior, or invalid.
23:10:50 [MicheleB] Other-Directedness — Subjugation: You feel coerced to surrender your needs and emotions to other people, avoiding anger, retaliation, or abandonment.
23:11:00 [MicheleB] Self-Sacrifice: You voluntarily meet the needs of other people at the expense of your own gratification.
23:11:53 [MicheleB] For the purposes of a romance novel, characters are not going to have deep schemas. (Some might, but we don’t want deeply damaged people. We want people who an triumph.)
23:13:11 [MicheleB] Beta heroes are better suited for romantic comedies because their personalities are more capable of handling crazy circumstances and outrageous events.
23:13:25 [MicheleB] The difference between a beta hero and an alpha hero in a romantic comedy is that the beta hero will laugh at himself and the situation and the alpha hero won’t. In other words, the reader laughs WITH the beta hero and laughs AT the alpha hero.
23:13:36 [MicheleB] Examples of Beta Heroes From Movies
23:13:50 [MicheleB] · Jack (Bill Pullman), the nice younger brother, in “While You Were Sleeping”
23:14:06 [MicheleB] Who wants to give an example of beta behavior from this movie?
23:15:19 [SherT] In Sabrina, the Harrison Ford character.
23:15:48 [MicheleB] Okay. 🙂
23:15:52 [SherT] In a Walk in the Clouds, the Keanu Reaves character.
23:16:17 [MicheleB] Here’s an example from While You Were Sleeping: He’s playing cards with his comatose brother and says, “Whoever gets the high card, gets Lucy.” (No direct confrontation.)
23:17:19 [SherT] duh…read it wrong…sorry
23:17:49 [MicheleB] That’s okay!
23:18:07 [MicheleB] · Shane (Keanu Reeves), the kind-hearted ex-quarterback, in “The Replacements”
23:18:22 [MicheleB] Example: He steps in to protect his deaf teammate from the insults of the team’s former quarterback.
23:18:30 [Jacqueline] Didn’t see that one
23:18:33 [MicheleB] When the quarterback hits him, he takes the punch then says, “Had enough?” (Protects his friends; Wants to avoid confrontation; attempts to defuse situation with humor.)
23:19:22 [MicheleB] Shane is a beta, but he is also a football player, something we might typically associate with an alpha. He’s also the quarterback, which is a leadership postion.
23:19:47 [MicheleB] But what he cares about most is his team.
23:19:58 [MicheleB] · Robbie (Adam Sandler), the heartbroken romantic, in “The Wedding Singer”
23:20:10 [MicheleB] Example: First clue he’s a beta—he’s wedding singer. He takes an underage kid who’s been drinking at the wedding outside to puke in the Dumpster.
23:20:30 [Glenda] lol…Love Stinks
23:20:32 [MicheleB] (Taking care of others who he perceives needs him.) This is when he meets the heroine, Julia. Sense of humor to deal with situations: “No one could puke more than that kid. I think I saw boot come out of him.”
23:20:41 [SherT] LOL
23:20:42 [MicheleB] Exactly! <g>
23:21:11 [MicheleB] Examples of Beta Heroes From Novels
23:21:24 [MicheleB] · Peter, the lovelorn tongue-tied doctor, from GOOD IN BED by Jennifer Weiner
23:21:34 [MicheleB] Example: He offers constant support for her without demanding a thing. He doesn’t even make his feelings known until almost the end of the book. (Patience, kindness, putting his own feelings/needs aside to meet the heroine’s.)
23:21:49 [MicheleB] · Ross, the bad-boy wanna-be, from BRIDE IN TRAINING by Michele R. Bardsley
23:21:58 [MicheleB] Example: He’s a wanna-be bad-boy … so he’s already someone who doesn’t fit well in the skin of a Harley-riding, leather-jacket-wearing hard case. He takes care of the heroine after she falls ill, despite the fact she doesn’t him like him much.
23:22:08 [MicheleB] · Race, the thief with a heart of gold, from RACE AGAINST TIME by Justine Davis
23:22:24 [MicheleB] Example: The heroine leaves out food for the anonymous burglar who’s been stealing food from the homes of people living in a small mountainside community. In thanks, he picks wild flowers and leaves them on her dining room table.
23:22:48 [MicheleB] And that’s the beta hero! Any questions?
23:23:32 [SherT] none from me, just need to read all this again and digest this. Excellent topic, Michele.
23:23:49 [MicheleB] Thanks!
23:24:00 [Jacqueline] I’m sure I’ll think of one later when I’m working on my beta.
23:24:10 [Lainie] wonderful Michele
23:24:22 [Glenda] Very informative. I’m just a reader and I’ve learned so much tonight!
23:24:25 [Jacqueline] Yes, great topic
23:24:26 [MicheleB] E-mail me anytime!
23:24:33 [Lainie] ditto Jacqui – I’ll probably think of it later
23:24:46 [MicheleB] I’m so glad, Glenda!
23:25:14 [Jacqueline] Plus, we’ll have the chat log up at WM for us to go back to.
23:25:27 [MicheleB] That’s great!
23:25:51 [Glenda] Do most women seem to prefer alpha males (in reading material)?
23:26:31 [MicheleB] It seems to go in trends. Every woman appreciates the fantasy of taming the bad boy.
23:27:00 [MicheleB] But romantic comedies are going strong and they really need beta heroes.
23:27:06 [Jacqueline] I’m married to an alpha and have lately taken up reading betas
23:27:31 [MicheleB] I’m married to an alpha. That’s probably why I write betas. <G>
23:28:09 [SherT] I’m married to a beta with major alpha issues…course that could be that Spanish blood and the Cajun blood duking it out.
23:28:22 [MicheleB] LOL!
23:28:32 [Jacqueline] And he’s a beta, Sher? <g>
23:28:35 [Glenda] giggle
23:28:40 [MicheleB] The great thing about fiction and reality is that you can usually control ficitonal characters.
23:29:07 [MicheleB] It’s been a pleasure, but I have to go be mommy now. 🙂
23:29:32 [Glenda] thank you for a wonderful chat!
23:29:34 [SherT] Son is the same way, only tempered by my Swiss blood and the threat of my foot in his hine end. <G>
23:29:41 [Lainie] <Michele, would you like me to choose the winner of your book
23:30:03 [MicheleB] You are most welcome. Thank you for inviting me. I had a wonderful time.
23:30:16 [Jacqueline] It’s always nice having you here, Michele. You’ll have to come back when there isn’t a hurricane
23:30:16 [MicheleB] Please do, Lainie!
23:30:30 [Jacqueline] and bad connections
23:30:30 [SherT] Thank you so much for being here, Michele. Very informative.
23:30:41 [Lainie] I need a drum roll
23:30:49 [MicheleB] I’m so glad!
23:30:54 [Jacqueline] rattattttttttttatttttttt
23:30:58 [SherT] tut tat tut tat tut tat
23:31:02 [Lainie] and the winner of Michele’s door prize is…
23:31:06 [Lainie] Glenda!
23:31:16 [Lainie] Michele, please tell her which prize she’s won
23:31:21 [Lainie] and how to contact you
23:31:22 [SherT] Yea Glenda!!!
23:31:27 [Jacqueline] Yayyy, Glenda!
23:31:33 [Glenda] Moi? I’m a weiner? Thanks!
23:31:54 [MicheleB] Wow! Congrats, Glenda! She’s won Double Delights #2: Daddy In Training and Bride In Training.
23:32:17 [Glenda] Awesome!
23:32:23 [SherT] excellent Glenda!
23:32:34 [Glenda] Will do Michele.
23:32:57 [Glenda] Good night to all and stay safe!
23:32:58 [SherT] Thanks again, Michele for being with us.
23:33:02 [Lainie] Congrats Glenda!!!
23:33:06 [SherT] Night Glenda
23:33:09 [SherT] Take care
23:33:16 [Lainie] Nice prizes michele
23:33:20 [Jacqueline] Thanks from coming everyone! I need to take some Nyquil and go to bed. Night!
23:33:23 [MicheleB] You’re welcome! Thank you! Good night, all!
23:33:37 [MicheleB] Thanks, Lainie. 😉
23:33:46 [SherT] good night, everyone.
23:34:01 MicheleB exits from this room
23:34:22 [Lainie] Thank you for joining us MIchele and everybody
23:34:30 [Lainie] What a great workshop!
23:34:44 [Lainie] have a good night everybody.
23:34:53 [Jacqueline] Sher, take care.
23:35:01 [Jacqueline] You too, Lainie
23:35:02 [Lainie] so sorry Jacqui. I hope you feel better soon
23:35:03 [Glenda] Oh! Hope you get better soon!
23:35:10 [Lainie] please let us know and we’ll cover
23:35:20 [SherT] night all.
23:35:21 [Glenda] goodnight
23:35:26 [Jacqueline] Thanks
23:35:29 [Lainie] goodnight Glenda
23:36:05 [Lainie] I have work early tomorrow and can hardly hold my eyes open. sweet dreams and good night everybody!